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	<title>Comments on: CARE takes a bold step in Africa</title>
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		<title>By: Sandra Hanks Benoiton</title>
		<link>http://africa-adoption.adoptionblogs.com/weblogs/care-takes-a-bold-step-in-africa/comment-page-1#comment-312</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandra Hanks Benoiton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 08:36:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That would be the proverbial different kettle of fish ... sorry about that -- you know I can&#039;t help myself ... and one I&#039;m sure organizations like CARE take into account.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That would be the proverbial different kettle of fish &#8230; sorry about that &#8212; you know I can&#8217;t help myself &#8230; and one I&#8217;m sure organizations like CARE take into account.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 07:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is indeed a poor way of doing business.  One area that is a bit of comparing apples and oranges is the idea of undercutting the local farmer.  Yes, that is happening if we send the same type of grain that he produces.  &lt;br /&gt;
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Many of these very poor countries have the misfortune to have very bad soil.  There are grains the local people need that the local farmers simply cannot produce.  Corn and soybeens are always needed, and yet much of the world doesn&#039;t have the soil to grow those crops.  If we don&#039;t ship ours, there aren&#039;t all that many other sources for those countries.  John</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is indeed a poor way of doing business.  One area that is a bit of comparing apples and oranges is the idea of undercutting the local farmer.  Yes, that is happening if we send the same type of grain that he produces.  </p>
<p>Many of these very poor countries have the misfortune to have very bad soil.  There are grains the local people need that the local farmers simply cannot produce.  Corn and soybeens are always needed, and yet much of the world doesn&#8217;t have the soil to grow those crops.  If we don&#8217;t ship ours, there aren&#8217;t all that many other sources for those countries.  John</p>
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		<title>By: Sandra Hanks Benoiton</title>
		<link>http://africa-adoption.adoptionblogs.com/weblogs/care-takes-a-bold-step-in-africa/comment-page-1#comment-310</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandra Hanks Benoiton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 05:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, it&#039;s not the recipients looking toward changing the system, but the organization. I suspect the &quot;donees&quot; are more than happy with whatever they get ... they being the beggars that can&#039;t be choosers.&lt;br /&gt;
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The organization ... a huge multinational whose business is aid ... now sees the method of aid as innefficient -- and doing more harm than good, partially because it cuts the legs off of local farmers which exacerbates the problem not only by creating more poor, but also by continuing the cycle of too little food. It is well within their mandate to prompt change in practices.&lt;br /&gt;
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Storage of stockpiled grain and keeping US carriers in business is a matter for others to concern themselves with ... not CARE.&lt;br /&gt;
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I also take issue with your postulation that the cost to the US is &quot;less than zero&quot; in the present system. The cost to taxpayers for agribiz monoculture crops grown to maintain the surplus, plus the subsidies that are part of the system is huge. For the government to compensate itself by selling stockpiles and calling it aid seems disingenuous and a poor way of doing business ... except for those reaping a harvest of millions of taxpayers dollars. For them, it&#039;s a boon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, it&#8217;s not the recipients looking toward changing the system, but the organization. I suspect the &#8220;donees&#8221; are more than happy with whatever they get &#8230; they being the beggars that can&#8217;t be choosers.</p>
<p>The organization &#8230; a huge multinational whose business is aid &#8230; now sees the method of aid as innefficient &#8212; and doing more harm than good, partially because it cuts the legs off of local farmers which exacerbates the problem not only by creating more poor, but also by continuing the cycle of too little food. It is well within their mandate to prompt change in practices.</p>
<p>Storage of stockpiled grain and keeping US carriers in business is a matter for others to concern themselves with &#8230; not CARE.</p>
<p>I also take issue with your postulation that the cost to the US is &#8220;less than zero&#8221; in the present system. The cost to taxpayers for agribiz monoculture crops grown to maintain the surplus, plus the subsidies that are part of the system is huge. For the government to compensate itself by selling stockpiles and calling it aid seems disingenuous and a poor way of doing business &#8230; except for those reaping a harvest of millions of taxpayers dollars. For them, it&#8217;s a boon.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://africa-adoption.adoptionblogs.com/weblogs/care-takes-a-bold-step-in-africa/comment-page-1#comment-309</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2007 20:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the aid is great.  The program as it is set up is obviously not effecient,  if that is the only goal.  I guess my concern is that it isn&#039;t the reciever who should be raising stink about the blown 35 mil, its people here in the US.  The donee should keep in mind that the alternative to the program done the ineffecient way it is now may be no program at all.  &lt;br /&gt;
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The way it is done now is probably dictated by some US issues.  We do have stockpiled grain, bought by the government, we need to move it.  Effectively, it costs us money to store it, so the cost of 45 mil of this grain is less than zero to the US.  The cost of the same amount of grain in another country is 45 mil, big difference.  We always struggle to keep US flag carriers going, again we are taking care of our intersts and killing two birds with one stone, the grain has to get there somehow.  We are giving and we are also taking care of us at the same time, is that bad?  John</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the aid is great.  The program as it is set up is obviously not effecient,  if that is the only goal.  I guess my concern is that it isn&#8217;t the reciever who should be raising stink about the blown 35 mil, its people here in the US.  The donee should keep in mind that the alternative to the program done the ineffecient way it is now may be no program at all.  </p>
<p>The way it is done now is probably dictated by some US issues.  We do have stockpiled grain, bought by the government, we need to move it.  Effectively, it costs us money to store it, so the cost of 45 mil of this grain is less than zero to the US.  The cost of the same amount of grain in another country is 45 mil, big difference.  We always struggle to keep US flag carriers going, again we are taking care of our intersts and killing two birds with one stone, the grain has to get there somehow.  We are giving and we are also taking care of us at the same time, is that bad?  John</p>
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		<title>By: Sandra Hanks Benoiton</title>
		<link>http://africa-adoption.adoptionblogs.com/weblogs/care-takes-a-bold-step-in-africa/comment-page-1#comment-308</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandra Hanks Benoiton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2007 11:47:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John,&lt;br /&gt;
Read the CARE White Paper linked to for more details than I could fit in the post. I, certainly, was over-simplifying, and it&#039;s not that countries reimburse directly but that they do pay the price.&lt;br /&gt;
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It seems to me that the issue isn&#039;t beggars being choosey about the 10 mil, but about what happens to the 35 mil in between.&lt;br /&gt;
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Is it aid in general that you&#039;re opposed to? If so, there is argument against. &lt;br /&gt;
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CARE seems to be looking toward keeping the aid coming, but more effeciently and with less potential for graft and corruption. I don&#039;t get arguing against that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,<br />
Read the CARE White Paper linked to for more details than I could fit in the post. I, certainly, was over-simplifying, and it&#8217;s not that countries reimburse directly but that they do pay the price.</p>
<p>It seems to me that the issue isn&#8217;t beggars being choosey about the 10 mil, but about what happens to the 35 mil in between.</p>
<p>Is it aid in general that you&#8217;re opposed to? If so, there is argument against. </p>
<p>CARE seems to be looking toward keeping the aid coming, but more effeciently and with less potential for graft and corruption. I don&#8217;t get arguing against that.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2007 07:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am confused, I get the part that says they get the proceeds of the US donated goods they sell, and that funds their programs.  I don&#039;t see from the post how they are required to reimburse us for the grain we shipped, only that the sale of these donated goods in their country is their usable money.&lt;br /&gt;
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Certainly we can all get upset about the evil big companies, but what is the focus here, a nice pure gift done the way the beneficiary wants it, or getting money for local programs?  Even if they only get 10 mil out of the 45 mil, that is still a lot better than zero.  Isn&#039;t there an old saying, &#039;beggers can&#039;t be choosey&#039;?  John</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am confused, I get the part that says they get the proceeds of the US donated goods they sell, and that funds their programs.  I don&#8217;t see from the post how they are required to reimburse us for the grain we shipped, only that the sale of these donated goods in their country is their usable money.</p>
<p>Certainly we can all get upset about the evil big companies, but what is the focus here, a nice pure gift done the way the beneficiary wants it, or getting money for local programs?  Even if they only get 10 mil out of the 45 mil, that is still a lot better than zero.  Isn&#8217;t there an old saying, &#8216;beggers can&#8217;t be choosey&#8217;?  John</p>
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		<title>By: Sandra Hanks Benoiton</title>
		<link>http://africa-adoption.adoptionblogs.com/weblogs/care-takes-a-bold-step-in-africa/comment-page-1#comment-306</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandra Hanks Benoiton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2007 05:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From what I gather, John, the better comparison would be ...&lt;br /&gt;
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if you bought the car, had it driven to Mexico where your friend was told to sell the car, send back enough of the cash to pay for the manufacture ... of a car that, by the way, would not have been made were it not going to Mexico ... pay the driver, then use what&#039;s left over to buy himself another car. And all ostensibly because you&#039;re a wealthy and generous guy, and your friend needs a car to continue living, and his continued living means a healthier, safer and generally better world.&lt;br /&gt;
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Not an exact model of how it works, but closer than yours I think.&lt;br /&gt;
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CARE isn&#039;t looking at giving gifts the way someone wants them, but in a way that removes big bonuses for rich companies and adds those back onto what goes into AID ... sort of more the point, really.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From what I gather, John, the better comparison would be &#8230;</p>
<p>if you bought the car, had it driven to Mexico where your friend was told to sell the car, send back enough of the cash to pay for the manufacture &#8230; of a car that, by the way, would not have been made were it not going to Mexico &#8230; pay the driver, then use what&#8217;s left over to buy himself another car. And all ostensibly because you&#8217;re a wealthy and generous guy, and your friend needs a car to continue living, and his continued living means a healthier, safer and generally better world.</p>
<p>Not an exact model of how it works, but closer than yours I think.</p>
<p>CARE isn&#8217;t looking at giving gifts the way someone wants them, but in a way that removes big bonuses for rich companies and adds those back onto what goes into AID &#8230; sort of more the point, really.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2007 02:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, you get an A on accounting.  There sure would be more goods to be distributed.  &lt;br /&gt;
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There is a part of this that bothers me.  I live in CA, suppose I wanted to give an american made car of mine to a friend in Mexico, and I was even going to pay an american driver to bring it to him.   Now lets suppose the mexican friend says &quot;No way, a mexican car delivered by my fellow countrymen or forget it.&quot;  I would see that as ungracious.  If we are giving the money, isn&#039;t it rather silly to say &quot;No, I am holding out for the gift just the way I want it&quot;?  John</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, you get an A on accounting.  There sure would be more goods to be distributed.  </p>
<p>There is a part of this that bothers me.  I live in CA, suppose I wanted to give an american made car of mine to a friend in Mexico, and I was even going to pay an american driver to bring it to him.   Now lets suppose the mexican friend says &#8220;No way, a mexican car delivered by my fellow countrymen or forget it.&#8221;  I would see that as ungracious.  If we are giving the money, isn&#8217;t it rather silly to say &#8220;No, I am holding out for the gift just the way I want it&#8221;?  John</p>
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		<title>By: Sandra Hanks Benoiton</title>
		<link>http://africa-adoption.adoptionblogs.com/weblogs/care-takes-a-bold-step-in-africa/comment-page-1#comment-304</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandra Hanks Benoiton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 13:25:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She&#039;s one of my favorite writers! Thanks for this &#039;heads up&#039;, Virginia. I&#039;ll be ordering her book very soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She&#8217;s one of my favorite writers! Thanks for this &#8216;heads up&#8217;, Virginia. I&#8217;ll be ordering her book very soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Virginia M. Citrano</title>
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		<dc:creator>Virginia M. Citrano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 13:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barbara Kingsolver rallies a lot of facts to support the same position CARE is taking in her new book, &quot;Animal, Vegetable, Miracle.&quot; It makes for interesting reading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barbara Kingsolver rallies a lot of facts to support the same position CARE is taking in her new book, &#8220;Animal, Vegetable, Miracle.&#8221; It makes for interesting reading.</p>
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